Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari

[shinta|hikari]

Also, for the false footage to spread fast enough, there must be some way to transmit it to multiple locations at once. Otherwise bringing the orb back to base, alter it, bring it to the townspeople, to another town, to another town, to another town before Naofumi can would be impossible.

Or they brought back the ball, edited and copied it to other balls or even a different artifact, and sent the numerous copies out.

Or maybe the ball CAN transmit video, but requires a mage to transmit it post recording, and is not something a soldier can do.

Or maybe the ball can do anything whatsoever, which makes the author an utter idiot.

Like you, I can imagine a hundred different ways it could all play out. Stomping out one of them is always a better move than doing nothing, even if the results end up being the same (because you can't predict everything). That's called risk mitigation.

There was for example also no evidence that it actually works like a video camera, because no one with an orb was present during the fight against the Souleater on that ship.

There is evidence it works like a video camera, because they clearly recorded the "kidnapping" from the ball the soldier was holding, and we've seen the King watch a fight that happened in the past from a ball just like it. At the very least, that means the ball can record and playback video. Why the heck would you have 2 balls that look the same, and one just records, and the other just displays? Sure maybe they had such a dumb magical artifact, but it is more reasonable to assume it's one device that does both.

The orb may or may not have been in the ship fight (somewhere hidden from view, for example), but that doesn't matter. It was there in the assassination and throne scenes. That's solid and direct (vs circumstantial) evidence.

As for whether it can transmit video, there is no solid evidence, only conjecture on your part. We don't even have an accurate grasp of time lapses in this show, so using those as "proof" doesn't hold water. For example, in your "summoned to the castle" scenario, what if news traveled by messenger or some other magical means, and the orb physically traveled with a soldier at around the same pace as Naofumi did (he would have left later because he got summoned after the King heard the about what happened) and arrived at the same time or a bit earlier than him? That would also explain why the King was watching the video while Naofumi was there (because he just got it).

Does this matter? Not really, because it's all conjecture. Compare that to the very highly probable chances (as I explained above) that the orb can record and display video, and it's clear which one is more likely to be true.

[Note: I only say "very highly probable" (vs factual) because anything is possible. However, saying otherwise ("those are 2 different orbs with different functions!") is like claiming you are innocent in a court by saying your long lost identical twin did it.]

[KrayZ33]

There is evidence it works like a video camera, because they clearly recorded the "kidnapping" from the ball the soldier was holding, and we've seen the King watch a fight that happened in the past from a ball just like it. At the very least, that means the ball can record and playback video. Why the heck would you have 2 balls that look the same, and one just records, and the other just displays? Sure maybe they had such a dumb magical artifact, but it is more reasonable to assume it's one device that does both.

The orb may or may not have been in the ship fight (somewhere hidden from view, for example), but that doesn't matter. It was there in the assassination and throne scenes. That's solid and direct (vs circumstantial) evidence.

Only to point it out how I see it:

you conclude that the crystal ball was there *after* we've seen it can record stuff like a videocamera.
At point in time where the scheme began, we didn't know the orb has to be in direct sight of what is happening.
Up to that point it looked like they can use clairvoyance and might look at how the fight is going from a bird's eye view because the orb was de facto not present on that ship during that episode.

As for whether it can transmit video, there is no solid evidence, only conjecture on your part. We don't even have an accurate grasp of time lapses in this show, so using those as "proof" doesn't hold water. For example, in your "summoned to the castle" scenario, what if news traveled by messenger or some other magical means, and the orb physically traveled with a soldier at around the same pace as Naofumi did (he would have left later because he got summoned after the King heard the about what happened) and arrived at the same time or a bit earlier than him? That would also explain why the King was watching the video while Naofumi was there (because he just got it).

The messenger part doesn't make sense because the messenger would've had to travel back and forth too. So it would've been telepathy or projection magic (which would lead me to think the orb can be used as a communication device)
Even if the king has seen that stuff inside the orb, that doesn't really mean it's a *recording* device, I didn't think of it as such during that scene even after seeing it..It's not like gypsies showing what has/will happen through a crystal ball are that rare in this genre.
even less so would you think you can somehow alter the footage inside it because that whole thing by itself was so utterly stupid, I couldn't believe it when I saw it happen.

Does this matter? Not really, because it's all conjecture. Compare that to the very highly probable chances (as I explained above) that the orb can record and display video, and it's clear which one is more likely to be true.

Yes, it matters. A whole lot even? I can't say I believe you one bit if you thought of that orb as a video camera that will record the hero during that scene to make him look like the devil because that super "around the bush"-idea is so alien to me and super unnecessary considering his status.

It didn't even remotely appear to me that this thing is to be used as a modern video camera.

Did I expect some dude to order the soldiers through it? Yes... because that's like the most common use for such a thing in fantasy shows from my experience. Did I expect it to be a medieval Canon/Sony-camera? Nah.
That's why it would've not even appeared on my "priority-list" to handle the situation that just occured


The most important thing however is that whether they have the video or not, it wouldn't have made much of a difference. I don't even see the point of that scheme, because they can say anything they want.
For Naofumi and how he is being viewed, what difference does it make.

I'll agree on the fact that it was a "mistake" though..in hindsight of what has happened. However I believe he acted like a normal human being during that particular moment.

[shinta|hikari]

you conclude that the crystal ball was there *after* we've seen it can record stuff like a video.
At point in time where the scheme began, we didn't know the orb has to be in direct sight of what is happening.
Up to that point it looked like they can use clairvoyance and might look at how the fight is going from a bird's eye view because the orb was de facto not present on that ship.

But we know that now. Do you mean Naofumi didn't know about it during the beginning of the assassination scheme? Sure. But it was easy to guess, and yes, I totally did guess it the moment I saw it, which is why I thought Naofumi would too.

The point I was trying to make in those statements is that the crystal is in fact a recorder and a playback tool, NOT that Naofumi knew that. Stop mixing up my arguments with each other.

Doesn't make sense because the messenger would've had to travel back and forth too.
Even if the king has seen that stuff inside the orb, that doesn't really mean it's a *recording* device,
even less so would you think you can somehow alter the footage inside it during that episode

I did mention some other magical means of communication, but that's irrelevant. I was just using that as an example that conjecture is meaningless in the face of direct evidence.

Yes, it matters. A whole lot even? I don't believe you one bit if you thought of that orb as a video camera that will record the hero during that scene to make him look like the devil with (as Buff put it) photoshop later.

I already said I didn't predict they would photoshop it, but I thought they could edit the video to make it seem like a fake kidnapping or assassination. I didn't think they'd spread it in towns. I just figured they'd try to accuse him in a trial again. I can't do anything if you don't believe me. Just know it's ridiculous to lie to someone on the internet who has no bearing on my real life.

Let me put my argument in a simpler way:

Naofumi saw a crystal that clued him in on a scheme because he saw it before in the King's throne room. Said crystal was still with the retreating soldiers. He should've tried to retrieve it even if he didn't know what exactly it did, even if it wouldn't actually help him in the future. Why? Risk mitigation. It may or may not yield results, but the cost of him retrieving the thing (a yes to Filo's offer) and also possibly preventing the soldiers from reporting the results of the scheme was so low that not doing so is just stupid. Whether it would actually help him or not in retrospect is conjecture due to lack of information and is irrelevant.

The funny thing is, one line after he said "No." to Filo could've fix this:

"Something is fishy, so this could be bait for us to chase them into a trap."

I can't put it any simpler, so if it doesn't get across with this, I'll stop here.

[KrayZ33]

Yes, that would've been the most optimal thought process and decision.

But this is why I tried to use that weird example with the 5c on the ground to try and explain Naofumi's thought process, considering what we've seen of the orb until now, his status, his mindset about royality and their schemes and the situation itself.

Basically I'm thinking that Naofumi had reason to not bother and didn't question it further even though they certainly could've used additonal lines there such as "Shall I capture them, Master?" - "Why even bother, whatever they are trying to think up, they'll paint me as the villain anyway" or "No, we should see to it that we get somewhere safe, they probably called for assistance using that magical orb and this place will be full of soldiers soon"

etc. etc.