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    You'll be upset, but: You're just making flimsy excuses for dumb ecchi shit.

    Yes, Zenith was gloomy for one scene in which she DIDNT interact with her husband. Then timeskip and she's all smiley-smiley with her daughter and the daughter of her companion-wife. In all these scenes, not ONCE die she interact with Paul, her husband. THAT would have been meaningful and potential development. Because that's the part that matters. How did they go on to life together? Has she forgiven him? Do they share the same bed again? Is the maid now wife #2 or is she off-limits? Is Paul truly faithful now or is he not? (his proud comment about defeating wolf warrior in bed makes this doubtful). Basically everything that would have been meaningful development didn't happen. What we see is the aftermath of a generic hentai: Guy ends up with two hot girls. Kewl.
    Then watch a show that is dedicated to Zenith and Paul.

    They are side characters - wtf are you talking about?
    You don't dedicate a season worth of episodes to side characters.

    We saw what happened, we know how everyone reacted, we know Zenith forgave Paul.
    It doesn't fucking *matter* if they still sleep in the same bed or not, or rather; we don't need to see the discussion about that at all. We got the scene where they worked it out and we could clearly see that they remained together as a family and that Paul sees both children as equals and that Zenith and the Maid are now raising their children together
    How dense do people have to be to not understand that with what was being shown?

    Seriously? Why do you even want to see that in such detail when the show itself found a much better way to portray it with a timeskip alongside it that progressed the story at the same time

    Do you have to explicitly see stuff to understand it? Do you not use your brain for a second when you watch movies or read books or do whatever?
    Try adding 1 and 1 together for once.

    Good story telling doesn't mean you have to show every single discussion and scene. It's probably the opposite.
    When Rudy comes back from his adventure, maybe Paul gets into trouble again, that's when you will know that he still hasn't learned anything. But right now you saw what has happened, you saw the consequences, you saw how Zenith forgave him and how Paul plays the Daddy role for both and how both women are obviously the caretaker and Paul is just the usual male parent that wants to "play with their kids" but not actually do any housework etc.

    Ask yourself this: Would Mushoku be any worse if ALL the ecchi scenes (not counting the flashback to his old life) were missing? I can answer that with a definite NO.
    I don't know what you consider as "ecchi".
    If you are talking about the maid scene for example, then hell yeah, it would be worse. Or lets say... it would be different and the story would be too.
    I'd even say that Roxy sitting on the floor and pleasuring herself had some meaning to it.
    It could obviously go without? Yes? But does it have to? Why?
    It tells me Roxy is interested in these things, probably interested in Paul too actually.
    All kinds of possibilities are open there.
    She could even have left the houshold due to her romantic interest in Paul.

    I also think that these shows could go without "violently hitting MC in the face when he accidently sees the female-MCs pantsu" but it's funny when it's done right, so who gives a fuck.

    The fact remains that these girls aren't just hanging around MC's dick for no reason and don't go out of their way to do stupid shit all the time.
    The fact remains that most of the stuff is very believable and that the side characters are getting developed alongside MC properly with or without these scenes. So what's your point.

    Just because it has "ecchi" in it doesn't make it "ecchi-trash".
    It's "ecchi-trash" when there is nothing but "ecchi" in it and the story goes out of its way to make the next pantsu-scene possible. Rudy actually faces issues he has to conquer and defeat and overcome, both phyiscally and mentally, not just enemies he has to defeat with his god given power and his perfectly humble personality etc..
    Zenith has had to overcome her pride and maybe lost her trust in Paul we don't know yet. We don't have to know
    What I can say for certain however is that she didn't take it lightly like in your usual scene:

    *MC-Harem girl 1 sees MC-Harem girl 2 kiss MC*
    "Baka... He's mine, it's unfair, please kiss me too now - it's only fair" - You know... like in this fucking other fantasy-level-up Anime this season where MC gets lifeforce power by kissing his harem and doing lewd shit with them, so that he can create new "skills".

    You really want to compare these scenes and this show in general to *that* bullshit?
    Really?
    I'm seriously somewhat angry if you do and just about to drop any future discussion with you forever. Not because I like *this* particular anime, but because it's just *dumb*. Honestly and *truely* dumb. Like... talking, discussing and arguing about things with Donald Trump-dumb. It's such a waste of my and everyone elses time you know? It has no basis whatsoever. As silly as this sounds, but if you just focus on the ecchi stuff, which you really don't have to do in this show at *all* because it's such a minor point in the first place, it's *miles* apart in terms of quality when it comes to every single situation compared to your usual ecchi scene.
    It's almost insulting actually if it weren't so trivial in the first place... but I'm also not really happy about wasting time with troll posts and comparisons like that. You know, it's just better to not talk about that stuff at all, that'd be better than making hollow points like "this is just like any other trash isekai" when it so obviously isn't and we have an example or two every-single-season that show the exact opposite.

    I can totally tell that you are in for some kind of revenge-posting because "Redo of Healer" got bashed for what it is and if you just do it because you are angry about it, I'll actually cover you and say that the show, aside from the obvious hentai scenes that are just there to pleasure the viewer and to get him to *jerk off*, is actually decent enough to be interesting from a story point of view. But then again, that's just about it... his "healing power" is obviously bullshit from every angle you look at it and that alone already shows how this show here is different from the usual isekai/fantasy/power-up trope bullshit.

    I have no doubt in my mind that we'll get to see the usual harem stuff like that in the future because all animes will eventually show anime-tropes. But who knows, maybe I'm wrong and we actually don't.
    So far at least we have not really gone so far in that territory at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    Then watch a show that is dedicated to Zenith and Paul.

    They are side characters - wtf are you talking about?
    You don't dedicated a season worth of episodes to side characters.

    We saw what happened, we know how everyone reacted, we know Zenith forgave Paul.
    It doesn't fucking *matter* if they still sleep in the same bed or not. We got the scene where they worked it out and we could clearly see that they remained together as a family.
    How dense do people have to be to not understand that?
    Seriously? Why do you even want to see that?

    Do you have to explicitly see stuff to understand it? Do you not use your brain for a second when you watch movies or read books or do whatever?

    Jeez.
    What we got was the ecchi part. We got the h-doujin portion. All the potentially meaningful development stuff, that was omitted. That's what I'm criticizing, Kray.

    "She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    What we got was the ecchi part. We got the h-doujin portion. All the potentially meaningful development stuff, that was omitted. That's what I'm criticizing, Kray.
    Well, that's just not true, which is why your criticism is basically pointless because it has no basis.
    You expect to see something *particular* and if that didn't happen, nothing happened.

    We DID see the aftermath,
    We DID see the discussion
    We DID see how Zenith felt after that
    We DID see how the maid felt after that
    We DID see how Paul felt after that (he didn't really think it was that big of a deal - although he did at least say sorry and knew it was wrong)
    We DID see that Zenith had to overcome something in her mind so that she could somehow work this out properly without being a whiny bitch that would send the maid and her unborn child to their certain death.
    We DID see that Rudy is also part of that decision and that she might have made that decision for his sake too.
    We DID see how Rudy thinks about Paul after that
    We DID see how Rudy tried to patch up his family again.
    We DID see that Rudy had to manipulate her mother a bit to make this family work again, so that he can get his way too.
    We DID see that Rudy understands Zenith well enough and knows how to push her buttons and appeal to her morals and priorities
    We DID see that they made up again, that they are living side by side, raising their kids and that Daddy-Paul sees both children as equals.
    We DID see that both children are raised equally as well since they are sleeping in the same crip, that suggests that Zenith's doesn't get any special privileges

    What exactly is the "h-portion" in all that... the h-portion wasn't even *shown*, it was only implied..... the "h-portion" was basically the maid (I'm sorry, but I just can't remember the name... Lia?) washing herself while leaving the door open, most likely on purpose from what I made out of that discussion btw. but I'm not sure. She blamed herself quite a bit and explicitly said that she seduced paul... but that might as well be more "humble" than anything.
    Last edited by KrayZ33; Tue, 02-16-2021 at 07:17 AM.

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