So I'm a Spider, So What? - Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka?

[Kraco]

Since you called me out elsewhere, Kraco, what is your stance on Ainz Ool Gown? Is his behaviour okay, too? ;>

No, it's not. It bothers me all the time, but the series is good enough to read, nonetheless. Besides, it can be good to read stuff that does bother you, occasionally. Nevertheless, it's also why I'm annoyed by you comparing the MCs of these other series to him. Nazarick goes out of its way to slaughter totally unrelated people by the thousands wherever it wants. It's un utterly evil place. Furthermore, it's not chaotic evil but lawful evil, which is even worse.

Kumoko would need to leave the dungeon and attack some random village or town, to kill all the inhabitants indiscriminately, just to harvest exp, to reach Ainz Ool Gown's level. So far Kumoko has only hunted monsters that also hunted her (ignoring the corruption larvae), plus fought humans who attacked first. She has also fled from humans, just like she has fled from the dragons.

If she left the dungeon and attacked a human town, unprovoked, but only fought soldiers fighting back, not touching any civilians or other unarmed people, possibly even sparing wounded soldiers incapable of continuing to fight, then we could have a more intriguing conversation about her morals and her degree of becoming a genuine monster.

[MFauli]

No, it's not. It bothers me all the time, but the series is good enough to read, nonetheless. Besides, it can be good to read stuff that does bother you, occasionally. Nevertheless, it's also why I'm annoyed by you comparing the MCs of these other series to him. Nazarick goes out of its way to slaughter totally unrelated people by the thousands wherever it wants. It's un utterly evil place. Furthermore, it's not chaotic evil but lawful evil, which is even worse.

Kumoko would need to leave the dungeon and attack some random village or town, to kill all the inhabitants indiscriminately, just to harvest exp, to reach Ainz Ool Gown's level. So far Kumoko has only hunted monsters that also hunted her (ignoring the corruption larvae), plus fought humans who attacked first. She has also fled from humans, just like she has fled from the dragons.

If she left the dungeon and attacked a human town, unprovoked, but only fought soldiers fighting back, not touching any civilians or other unarmed people, possibly even sparing wounded soldiers incapable of continuing to fight, then we could have a more intriguing conversation about her morals and her degree of becoming a genuine monster.

You're talking about scale here, though.

For me, Kumoko murdering humans without much regret is full-Overlord level. It's the quality, not the quantity. She killed those people like they're just other monsters that needed to defeated.I know you and others claim that she was justified, that the soldiers attacked first and all. But even without countering that (like: she wasnt attacked first, her nest got destroyed, thats all; even if attacked first, she should have felt reluctant to kill people; even when attacking them, she should have tried to capture them with her net threads, no need for lethal force; she's being depicted as smart otherwise, but now fails to realize they don't understand her? She could have made a bigger effort to communicate; etc.), it's about how little the death of people fazed her.

As I saw that scene, it's the first step to what will later lead to her demon lord spider queen-scene where she's fully cruel and managing a full-blown attack against human strongholds. I assume you would at least acknowledge that the latter is full-Overlord level?

[Kraco]

As I saw that scene, it's the first step to what will later lead to her demon lord spider queen-scene where she's fully cruel and managing a full-blown attack against human strongholds. I assume you would at least acknowledge that the latter is full-Overlord level?

Assuming it goes down exactly that route, then she would be approaching the same level. But like DE said, there could be circumstances we can't even imagine yet. Furthermore, we don't know if the demon lord queen is Kumoko! It could be a giant red herring. Personally, I'd love it if it was. I'm reading a truckload of isekai manga, and, honestly, most of them have so linear plots without any twists that the best firearm manufacturers can only wish they could make as straight barrels as that.

[Ryllharu]

full-Overlord level?

Each time you say this (which is everywhere), it looks less and less credible in any argument you use it in.

FFS, read more to give yourself some nuance in your metaphors.

[MFauli]

Each time you say this (which is everywhere), it looks less and less credible in any argument you use it in.

FFS, read more to give yourself some nuance in your metaphors.

Your definition of full-Overlord is wrong, that's all. Full-Overlord = having zero regard for human life