Bokutachi no Remake / Remake Our Life!

[Ryllharu]

I just watched episode 1 and wtf is wrong with you?! :/

There's none of what you criticize. The guy never sees himself as this all-capable genius that you accuse him of. And instead of lazing off, he *does* put in all the extra effort.

That he felt down after the project got cancelled and he lost his job, big surprise, that's perfectly reasonable, especially when you're forced to return home to your parents because of your financial situation.

And "latching onto others' talent"? Congratulations, you described literally every educational system. It's called "learning from each other". Aka that is normal.

What a brilliant misread of my post.

True, Kyouya never proclaims himself to be an all-capable genius. But the anime certainly does its best to portray him as one. We go from bum on a bus who lost his job, to lucky break with meeting Hasegawa, to business superstar. They show him starting working for her in a menial data management role, that he excels at, to a month later practically co-managing the whole team, the veteran coworkers fawning over him like fangirls.

You're missing the point on the second part. Kyouya conflates his lack of success with not being able to work with the members of Platinum Generation...which he was with Hasegawa, they just got screwed over by internal politics.

Throughout the first episode, he has an openly stated regret that he would always have been a huge success if he had only worked with them. That's latching onto others' talent. He doesn't think his effort will ever be enough. He openly states that he believes his circumstances are the problem. He's missing the lesson that his problem is a lack of determination to get over the inevitable setbacks that life will always throw at you, not the circumstances of his education.

I dunno how episode 2 goes and maybe you've read the manga and basically spoiled us some later development, but based on episode 1, the hero seems perfectly nice and well-meaning, no self-bragging, no stealing others' work, no nothing negative.

Nope, never read the novel. I honestly hate LNs. My posts are all my own speculation. I call this a hate-watch because the anime by itself has been good. There's plenty of hints and implications that are potential foreshadowing. Maybe I'm catching them, maybe I'm overreading them (I certainly did with that POS last season that turned out to be really shallow and lame). Here, I just hate the main character and his unspoken attitude.

[MFauli]

What a brilliant misread of my post.

True, Kyouya never proclaims himself to be an all-capable genius. But the anime certainly does its best to portray him as one. We go from bum on a bus who lost his job, to lucky break with meeting Hasegawa, to business superstar. They show him starting working for her in a menial data management role, that he excels at, to a month later practically co-managing the whole team, the veteran coworkers fawning over him like fangirls.

You're missing the point on the second part. Kyouya conflates his lack of success with not being able to work with the members of Platinum Generation...which he was with Hasegawa, they just got screwed over by internal politics.

Throughout the first episode, he has an openly stated regret that he would always have been a huge success if he had only worked with them. That's latching onto others' talent. He doesn't think his effort will ever be enough. He openly states that he believes his circumstances are the problem. He's missing the lesson that his problem is a lack of determination to get over the inevitable setbacks that life will always throw at you, not the circumstances of his education.


Nope, never read the novel. I honestly hate LNs. My posts are all my own speculation. I call this a hate-watch because the anime by itself has been good. There's plenty of hints and implications that are potential foreshadowing. Maybe I'm catching them, maybe I'm overreading them (I certainly did with that POS last season that turned out to be really shallow and lame). Here, I just hate the main character and his unspoken attitude.

I ... just cannot see any of why you believe to see in this first episode 0_o Wow.

Everybody fawning over him after 2 months? He just made the best of his lousy entry position that left him with slightly-better-than-coffee-grabbing chores. Nobody "fawns" over him, they just acknowledge his help value and he humbly accepts, never acting proud.

And where does he claim that he'd be great if he was working with Platinum? He merely mentions that it'd be nice to work with them, actually, he only says it'd be nice to study at the same school as them. Even if I missed a scene, he just never comes across as bitter, demanding, or anything.

It really makes me angry how you seem to WANT to hate this mc, even when he did nothing to deserve it as far as episode 1 goes. If there's any self-insertion of the author going on, it's nothing all that bad.

Seriously, can someone else chime in? I read Ryll's posting before I watched the episode and went in expecting some ugly bastard rapist who's nastily taking advantage of young people - but that's absolutely not the case. :/

[Ryllharu]

I ... just cannot see any of why you believe to see in this first episode 0_o Wow.
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It really makes me angry how you seem to WANT to hate this mc, even when he did nothing to deserve it as far as episode 1 goes. If there's any self-insertion of the author going on, it's nothing all that bad.

1) Read my posts in this thread. I even have timestamps.
2) Watch the episode. I even have timestamps in my posts.
3) Read my posts in this thread, I have justification and quotes from the episodes.
4) I know you never finished it, but watch Saekano seasons 1 & 2, and the movie finale. You'll see the stark difference between those characters and this main character (who I do honestly expect to have substantial character growth and figure out his failings, but he sure sucks right now) when it comes to setbacks on creative projects.

FIVE people are asking him for help and praising him in the span of 60 seconds. Yes, they're fawning over him. All acknowledging his ability to assist them with very different skillsets for each of their requests. It is nauseating. I've seen other comments complaining about the absurdity of that scene as well, so it isn't just me.

[MFauli]

FIVE people are asking him for help and praising him in the span of 60 seconds. Yes, they're fawning over him. All acknowledging his ability to assist them with very different skillsets for each of their requests. It is nauseating. I've seen other comments complaining about the absurdity of that scene as well, so it isn't just me.

How cynical (and that's coming from me, lo) do you have to be to interpret it that way? It was a very standard scene that just got to show that after the lowly beginning ("So here's this mess of a room, clean it up and bring some order, k?"), he didn't let himself get discouraged and made the best of it, leading to him being respected by the rest of the team, and in more ways than just some lowly chores. I don't see the negatives here. It's the most cookie-cutter "if you persever, good things will happen to you" scene.

That like 5-6 people all want him to help them at the same time, that's anime. Nothing deeper going on here.

Anyway, gonna watch episode 2 now, maybe he'll turn into a monster there ...