One Piece Episode 449

[Assertn]

Definitely a dope episode. Jimbei shows why he's a schichibukai. Buggy looks like a chump next to Crocodile and Mr. 1. Mr. 3's ability was hinted at during an earlier filler clip with him and Buggy and the poison wall, but its nice to see him finally prove himself with his ability.

The bullets passing through Magellan was BS, though. If those couldn't phase him, then how come Luffy's punches did during their first fight? Is Magellan supposed to be weak to rubber the same way Enel was? Stupid filler snippet that contradicts the limits of Magellan's power.

@DarthEnder: Isn't it obvious? Only the antagonists use kairoseki!

[Sentenal]

Bullets passed through him? I thought they were just doing nothing or bouncing off, due to his bulk or something.

[DarthEnderX]

The bullets passing through Magellan was BS, though. If those couldn't phase him, then how come Luffy's punches did during their first fight? Is Magellan supposed to be weak to rubber the same way Enel was? Stupid filler snippet that contradicts the limits of Magellan's power

They've already pretty much confirmed at this point that Luffy's punches use Ambition. Or at least, that's what Blackbeard said when Luffy hit him. And since we know Ambition can hit Logia users it makes sense that Luffy can punch Magellan.

[Assertn]

Except for Smoker and Crocodile? Or are we to believe things have changed since then?

[Sentenal]

They've already pretty much confirmed at this point that Luffy's punches use Ambition. Or at least, that's what Blackbeard said when Luffy hit him. And since we know Ambition can hit Logia users it makes sense that Luffy can punch Magellan.

...Magellan isn't a logia.

[DarthEnderX]

Except for Smoker and Crocodile? Or are we to believe things have changed since then?

That was many arcs ago, so yes, I'm assuming it has changed since they've introduced Ambition. Blackbeard even said his Ambition has gotten stronger, which means it wasn't the last time they met.

...Magellan isn't a logia.

Since when? His body turns completely to poison. Since when can non-Logia's do that?

And even if he wasn't, Ambition is basically spirit energy. No matter what reason a person isn't solid, if they have a spirit, than an Ambition punch should hurt them.

[Assertn]

And even if he wasn't, Ambition is basically spirit energy. No matter what reason a person isn't solid, if they have a spirit, than an Ambition punch should hurt them.

Having ambition isn't the same as being able to concentrate ambition into an attack that negates devils fruit abilities.

[DarthEnderX]

Having ambition isn't the same as being able to concentrate ambition into an attack that negates devils fruit abilities.

Why do you think Haki negates Devil's Fruit abilities? They haven't said anything like that.

The only thing that "negates" fruit abilities is Sea Stone, the Darkness Fruit, and weaknesses of specific fruits to specific materials.

Raleigh's Haki didn't suddenly "negate" any of Kizaru's powers. Kizaru's light sword didn't suddenly vanish when Raleigh made contact with him.

When a Haki attack hits a Logia user, it works, because the fruit makes their body invincible, not their spirit.

In the same vein, if Flamingo used his powers on a Logia user, they would work, because the fruit makes their body invincible, not their mind.

[Sentenal]

Why do you think Haki negates Devil's Fruit abilities? They haven't said anything like that.

The only thing that "negates" fruit abilities is Sea Stone, the Darkness Fruit, and weaknesses of specific fruits to specific materials.

Raleigh's Haki didn't suddenly "negate" any of Kizaru's powers. Kizaru's light sword didn't suddenly vanish when Raleigh made contact with him.

When a Haki attack hits a Logia user, it works, because the fruit makes their body invincible, not their spirit.

In the same vein, if Flamingo used his powers on a Logia user, they would work, because the fruit makes their body invincible, not their mind.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but do you have any idea what Don Flamingo's Devil Fruit power actually is? Since I sure don't know.

Anyway, the mechanics of Haki vs Logia stuff hasn't been explained. Hopefully it will be explained to some extent in the future.

[Assertn]

Why do you think Haki negates Devil's Fruit abilities? They haven't said anything like that.

The only thing that "negates" fruit abilities is Sea Stone, the Darkness Fruit, and weaknesses of specific fruits to specific materials.

Raleigh's Haki didn't suddenly "negate" any of Kizaru's powers. Kizaru's light sword didn't suddenly vanish when Raleigh made contact with him.

When a Haki attack hits a Logia user, it works, because the fruit makes their body invincible, not their spirit.

In the same vein, if Flamingo used his powers on a Logia user, they would work, because the fruit makes their body invincible, not their mind.

So the cut on Kizaru's cheek was from Raleigh cutting his spirit, then?
You're totally pulling that presumption out of your ass. When Sentoumaru used a haki punch on Luffy, he reacted the same way as when Blackbeard vortex punched Luffy. Both times he observed the pain of the impact as if he suddenly lost his rubberness.

Another comparison: You point out that Raleigh's sword did not dissolve Kizaru's light sword, however just the same, Blackbeard's darkness didn't dissolve Ace's fireballs.

I'm yet to see an example where darkness or kairoseki clearly affects an opponent differently than haki.

[Sentenal]

That was many arcs ago, so yes, I'm assuming it has changed since they've introduced Ambition. Blackbeard even said his Ambition has gotten stronger, which means it wasn't the last time they met.

Since when? His body turns completely to poison. Since when can non-Logia's do that?

And even if he wasn't, Ambition is basically spirit energy. No matter what reason a person isn't solid, if they have a spirit, than an Ambition punch should hurt them.

Magellan does with Poison the same thing that Mr. 3 does with Wax.

[FireEmblem]

Definitely a dope episode. Jimbei shows why he's a schichibukai. Buggy looks like a chump next to Crocodile and Mr. 1. Mr. 3's ability was hinted at during an earlier filler clip with him and Buggy and the poison wall, but its nice to see him finally prove himself with his ability.

The bullets passing through Magellan was BS, though. If those couldn't phase him, then how come Luffy's punches did during their first fight? Is Magellan supposed to be weak to rubber the same way Enel was? Stupid filler snippet that contradicts the limits of Magellan's power.

@DarthEnder: Isn't it obvious? Only the antagonists use kairoseki!

The thing with the bullets bugged me too. The only explanation that makes sense is that the bullets are melting the instant they touch the poison.