What happens when they translate it wrong though? Then it's all for naught and would have been better to just say Kaiokenx20.
Then there is Goku's name some can argue it is 5 and 9 or 5 and sky or just Sky/Cloud. I fear the day they give the literal translation for Goku. Kakaratto would probably never be translated either lol. A lot of words and names do not need to be translated.
Kaioken is one of those names that does not need to be translated.
Example needed? most of these techniques are pretty clear cut in what they do.Originally Posted by Shadow Skill
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
You completely gloss over King Kai's fist? It's a wrong translation.
@Buffalobian
No I will still most likely watch since waiting is not one of my traits. Be nice if they actually did a proper translation. To me whoever did the translation does not quite understand Japanese to English very well.
If they can't translate properly, then don't translate. Leave the phrase as is. Most of us know without the wrong translation is anyway without an explanation from Crunchy Roll.
@DarthenderX
I Know in one of the translated leaks (NO errors) Goku's new form is not a new form but the mastery of perfect self-movement. Which to me makes more sense based on what happened and Whis explanation when he was training Goku and Vegeta to move without thinking. To me that is what happened against Jiren. That Tug of war with Jiren and the Spirit Bomb allowed Goku to break the shell and access that hidden talent. At least that is how it makes sense to me.
Ultra Instinct just feels out of place.
Wrong in what way? King Kai Fist is a technique made by King Kai, the message is not lost, you don't normally do literal translations, you want to send a message.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
The proper translation is World's fist.... I am not being picky but Crunchy Roll fucked up with the translation ok? Why can't you seen to acknowledge they fucked up? Again, Kaio is actually a surname in Japan with no actual meaning. If you really want to be technical with how they translate. The surname part actually makes sense, considering they are called "West, South, East and North Kai(o). That's splitting hairs though to win an argument based on facts.
So do we really need Crunchy Roll to wrongly translate attack names or phrases? No we do not. Do we need people like you to defend their wrongly translated words? No we do not. The translations might be convenient for you but they are a nuisance if done wrong.
@DarthEnderX
It's not a technique either, it's a state of being. Goku reached it and now it also means every other person in the DB universe can obtain it too. Aside from Zeno, Goku now has Deus Ex Machina powers. Powers that even the lowliest of scum can onbtain in an instant now. They would have been better off to give Goku another Saiyan transformation instead of this debacle.
You keep saying that, but where the fuck are you getting it?
They clearly stated that even the gods have difficulty using that power.
What makes you think that just because Goku has it everyone else is going to get it? Does everyone else know Kaioken yet? Or Instant Transmission?
You mean the debacle where someone besides Goku might not be totally useless for once? You're pissed off because they might do something to address one of the WORST things about Dragon Ball? Eat shit dude.
That just means it's a technique like the Kaioken, rather than a transformation like Super Saiyan.
But the distinction between those two things is largely irrelevant, because they both serve the same purpose. It's a thing he does that, rather than being some kind of attack, it just makes all his other attacks stronger/faster/better while he's using it. Until it runs out because he's out of energy or his body can't take it any more.
Kaioken is this. Super Saiyan is this. God-ki is this. And now Ultra Instinct is the new this.
Well, for one thing, it's not a fist. Or any kind of strike at all. It's a full body aura powerup that doesn't involve punching in any way.
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I'm... 43% sure fist can be referred to as a style/technique/the way you fight (and thus move your fists), that's why we also have a Taiyoken, even though there's no fists involved.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Sure, in Japanese. I'm just saying, the literal translation doesn't serve as a very good description in English. We generally don't refer to an entire fighting style as a "fist".
As opposed to, say, Ansatsuken(Assassin's Fist) from Street Fighter, which is Ryu and Ken's fighting style. But back in the day ended up being translated to "shotokan karate" which is a real karate style, but not what they actually used.
Now adays Capcom just calls it Ansatsuken everywhere.
But then why not use Shotokan Karate since that's what Capcom used first, and older players will be confused with the new term! Shame on Capcom for confusing their most loyal playerbase!
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@Shadowskill - Supplementing earlier, Goku = 悟空.悟 = enlightenment and 空 = emptiness. While the phonetics "Go" and "Ku" can mean 5-9, they don't - because the kanji themselves have actual, different meaning. 空 is also not 'sky' in this case, because the character named Son Goku (孫悟空) comes from the Chinese novel Journey to the West - where the Buddhist priest gives this name upon the Monkey King hoping he'd enlighten to emptiness.
Last edited by Buffalobiian; Wed, 10-11-2017 at 07:37 PM. Reason: adding further translations
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