Boku no Hero Academia

[MFauli]

I don't have to.

So let me ask: Respecting women in literally any other regard, but thinking that unintentional peeping through a small hole is okay, makes me a misogynist? So I´m on the same level as someone who believes woman should stay at home with the kids and do the cooking?

Pardon me, but I think you´re ridiculous, Darth. And you´re doing exactly the kind of shit that SJWs do: "You´re either 100% for us or 100% against us". Except, ya know, I´m in-between. Like most people.

[DarthEnderX]

"You´re either 100% for us or 100% against us". Except, ya know, I´m in-between. Like most people.

Definitions of words are what do that. You either fit the definition of something, or you don't.

If you only murder a few people, you don't get to say you're "in-between" because of all the people you also didn't murder. You are still a murderer.

Thinking that it is okay to look at women naked without their consent means you don't respect women. Straight up, that is what that means. And your attitude is basically "Hey, at least I'm not okay with raping them! That practically makes a feminist!"

[MFauli]

@Kraco: I do think it matters. The whole problem in this debate here is the point in time at which you consider intent to come into existence. I would agree that AFTER Mineta discovered the hole, he formed the intent to take a look through it. Yes. HOWEVER, my argument is that he didn´t know about the hole prior to coincidentially stumbling over it. So the entire situation wasn´t planned, it was not his intent to enter the changing room and peep on the girls. There was not intent at the point in time.

Following from there, I think it´s an important difference that the deity of luck shone on somebody, granting him this chance, and somebody who prepared the situation beforehand (see Youkoso Jitsuryoku for a perfect example of INTENT).

Trying to summarize the whole debate:

- Yes, peeping is always a bit scummy
- But it doesn´t hurt anybody when it happens through a tiny hole and without the intent of using devices to take pictures
- Mineta didn´t get into the situation with intent
- he got lucky and then, having been given the chance, intentionally tries to use this chance
- it´s not misogynistic to think a little peeping is alright

Definitions of words are what do that. You either fit the definition of something, or you don't.

If you only murder a few people, you don't get to say you're "in-between" because of all the people you also didn't murder. You are still a murderer.

Your level of extremism is, tbh, quite shocking. It really is full-on SJW semantic. You use the extreme of saying "You´re not in-between just because you didn´t murder some people." No. I´m not murdering anybody. THAT`S the point. In-between means you can hold beliefs that simply don´t adhere to any extreme ideas. But you cannot see that, for you it is murder or no murder. For me, there is a spectrum that would like something like "nothing - making a compliment - peeping - slap on the butt - intimidation - rape - murder". That´s what most people would see, Darth. You don´t. You see "normal - murder". That´s why you´re wrong. That´s why you´re a SW.

[DarthEnderX]

For me, there is a spectrum that would like something like "nothing - making a compliment - peeping - slap on the butt - intimidation - rape - murder". That´s what most people would see, Darth. You don´t. You see "normal - murder".

Here's the thing, even on the "spectrum" you provide, there is a very clear tipping point. For reference, everything from the bold on is a crime.

The moment you start committing CRIMES against women, you are no longer respecting them. If I'm an SJW extremist for thinking you shouldn't commit crimes against women, then I guess I'm an SJW extremist.

[MFauli]

Here's the thing, even on the "spectrum" you provide, there is a very clear tipping point. For reference, everything from the bold on is a crime.

The moment you start committing CRIMES against women, you are no longer respecting them. If I'm an SJW extremist for thinking you shouldn't commit crimes against women, then I guess I'm an SJW extremist.

No, you´re a SJW because you only think in extremes, see your "nothing - murder" spectrum you introduced before.

And I have never argued against peeping being a crime if found out. But the entire point of the discussion was to evaluate if peeping makes Mineta a terrible person, to which I replied he´s not, based on the circumstances. I´d absolutely condemn the guys from Youkoso Jitsuryoku, however ...

[Kraco]

@Kraco: I do think it matters. The whole problem in this debate here is the point in time at which you consider intent to come into existence. I would agree that AFTER Mineta discovered the hole, he formed the intent to take a look through it. Yes. HOWEVER, my argument is that he didn´t know about the hole prior to coincidentially stumbling over it. So the entire situation wasn´t planned, it was not his intent to enter the changing room and peep on the girls. There was not intent at the point in time.

Sorry, but I just can't understand that. The intent comes into play as soon as he realises or even suspects that hole might lead to the girls' changing room. There would be no intent if it went like in my previous example, that he simply found a hole and wondered what the heck it is, and then trying to peer through it shockingly found out he could see a girl's boobs. After that if he immediately retreated, he could still be considered innocent considering the nature of the incident (it's not like a person who accidentally knocked over a Ming vase). But if he continued to enjoy the view the intent would already be there.

Mineta noticed an opportunity to perform a crime and immediately went for it. Like a person entering a department store with no intention of stealing anything, but right away going for it when noticing an unguarded, desirable smartphone on a table.