No one is arguing that peeping is terribly high on the spectrum on this forum.
What we are arguing is that it is on the spectrum. By repeatedly saying that it's okay or coincidental is to say it is not on the spectrum, which is false. To say his peeping was unintended is also false.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Difference being that I think there is a certain leeway on the spectrum of terribleness that is justifiable, because it registers so lowly/insignificantly on said spectrum. Other examples would be speeding 5 km/h over the official speed limit, or pirating anime online - both of which, however, are worse than an unintentional peep.Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
And how can it not be unintended? I feel weīre going in circles here. Mineta didnīt know about the hole before entering the room. He happened to find it. Then tried to look through it. Thatīs it. Intent would have been there had he known about the hole.
@Darth: You can try all you want to paint me as misogyinist here, it wonīt make it true.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
I don't have to.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Mon, 08-28-2017 at 03:10 AM.
So let me ask: Respecting women in literally any other regard, but thinking that unintentional peeping through a small hole is okay, makes me a misogynist? So Iīm on the same level as someone who believes woman should stay at home with the kids and do the cooking?
Pardon me, but I think youīre ridiculous, Darth. And youīre doing exactly the kind of shit that SJWs do: "Youīre either 100% for us or 100% against us". Except, ya know, Iīm in-between. Like most people.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Definitions of words are what do that. You either fit the definition of something, or you don't.
If you only murder a few people, you don't get to say you're "in-between" because of all the people you also didn't murder. You are still a murderer.
Thinking that it is okay to look at women naked without their consent means you don't respect women. Straight up, that is what that means. And your attitude is basically "Hey, at least I'm not okay with raping them! That practically makes a feminist!"
@Kraco: I do think it matters. The whole problem in this debate here is the point in time at which you consider intent to come into existence. I would agree that AFTER Mineta discovered the hole, he formed the intent to take a look through it. Yes. HOWEVER, my argument is that he didnīt know about the hole prior to coincidentially stumbling over it. So the entire situation wasnīt planned, it was not his intent to enter the changing room and peep on the girls. There was not intent at the point in time.
Following from there, I think itīs an important difference that the deity of luck shone on somebody, granting him this chance, and somebody who prepared the situation beforehand (see Youkoso Jitsuryoku for a perfect example of INTENT).
Trying to summarize the whole debate:
- Yes, peeping is always a bit scummy
- But it doesnīt hurt anybody when it happens through a tiny hole and without the intent of using devices to take pictures
- Mineta didnīt get into the situation with intent
- he got lucky and then, having been given the chance, intentionally tries to use this chance
- itīs not misogynistic to think a little peeping is alright
Your level of extremism is, tbh, quite shocking. It really is full-on SJW semantic. You use the extreme of saying "Youīre not in-between just because you didnīt murder some people." No. Iīm not murdering anybody. THAT`S the point. In-between means you can hold beliefs that simply donīt adhere to any extreme ideas. But you cannot see that, for you it is murder or no murder. For me, there is a spectrum that would like something like "nothing - making a compliment - peeping - slap on the butt - intimidation - rape - murder". Thatīs what most people would see, Darth. You donīt. You see "normal - murder". Thatīs why youīre wrong. Thatīs why youīre a SW.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Here's the thing, even on the "spectrum" you provide, there is a very clear tipping point. For reference, everything from the bold on is a crime.
The moment you start committing CRIMES against women, you are no longer respecting them. If I'm an SJW extremist for thinking you shouldn't commit crimes against women, then I guess I'm an SJW extremist.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Mon, 08-28-2017 at 04:35 PM.
Sorry, but I just can't understand that. The intent comes into play as soon as he realises or even suspects that hole might lead to the girls' changing room. There would be no intent if it went like in my previous example, that he simply found a hole and wondered what the heck it is, and then trying to peer through it shockingly found out he could see a girl's boobs. After that if he immediately retreated, he could still be considered innocent considering the nature of the incident (it's not like a person who accidentally knocked over a Ming vase). But if he continued to enjoy the view the intent would already be there.
Mineta noticed an opportunity to perform a crime and immediately went for it. Like a person entering a department store with no intention of stealing anything, but right away going for it when noticing an unguarded, desirable smartphone on a table.
As far as I can remember the ep, it did not go this way: "Huh, what is this hole in the wall? Does it lead to the next room or something? Was there a cable here before? Hmm... Holy shit, it's the girls' changing room!"
It went this way: "Hey, guys, I found there's a hole in this wall and on the other side of the wall must be the girls' fricking changing room! Let's look through this and check which chick has the most fabulous body!"
That's as intentional and intended as it could ever need to be. Check out one of your famous German detective stories on TV, MFauli. Quite often the murder victim is killed simply with something that happened to be readily at hand, not with a gun purchased just for the purpose.
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